Spitfire Mk. IIa Revell 1/32 [Loic]

Hello

Voila ou j'en suis sur mon Spit.



Pendant que j'en etais au pré-ombrage,j'ai pschitté l'intrados de l'aile:







Ca avance tranquillement.....

Tranquillement mais sûrement Loïc ! Great job !!!

Hello Loic,

Ca le fait bien ce pré-ombrage

Salut Loïc,


De très belles avancées 

C'est tip top Loïc..

Hello Loïc ... C'est quoi le camo que tu nous prépares ? Pourquoi un demi-intrados pschitté en noir ? Tu marques plus le pré-ombrage que moi, je me suis contenté des lignes de structure et tu as fait aussi les lignes de rivetage

Hello Erik

La planche que j ai est en fait destinée pour un MkI.Et l intrados est blanc et noir.Donc j ai apprêté en noir.
Le trou sur le flanc gauche du moteur est percé.

bonne continuation Loïc !! je me régale....

Hello les copains

Cet apres midi,j'ai essayé de passer la premiere couche du camo de mon Spit avec les nouvelles teintes.
Ca passe moyennement bien sans dilution avec la buse de 0,20.
Je n'ai pas cherché a couvrir,je reprendrai les panneaux avec les teintes Gunze.








A suivre...

Hello Loic,

Pour la peinture, ca ne se voit pas trop, car elle est plutot reussie, mais pourles photos, on voit bien que c'est pris de la main gauche !!!

j'aurais dit pied gauche perso ....mais la peinture est quand meme mieux que ce que je peut faire

Hello Loïc... n'écoutes pas les mauvaises langues... il commence à avoir de la gueule ton Spit !!!

Du tout bon cette Mégère, le cockpit rend bien!

Continu comme ceci, ça va être chouette!

Snow

salut Loic,

il est superbe, va être terrible au final...

C'est vrais que les photos sont pas top .. Mais...

pour le camo, c'est bien parti...

c est déja du beau boulot et belle peinture

C'est vrai que tes photos ... comment dire ?

A part ça, ça me semble (dans le brouillard) être une belle peinture de camo et les nuances du pré-ombrage et des panneaux sont bien visibles

A quand la suite ?

Hello Erik

La suite viendra quand je pourrai tenir un Aérographe correctement avec ma main.

Bonjour

Question pour les Spitlovers:

Sur les appareils ayant l intrados noir et blanc,de quelle couleur sont les puits de train et l intérieur des trappes?

TASSIN a écrit:

Bonjour

Question pour les Spitlovers:

Sur les appareils ayant l intrados noir et blanc,de quelle couleur sont les puits de train et l intérieur des trappes?

Jaune

Toute blague à part, j'aurais tendance à penser que tout ceci était peint en usine donc que les puits de train étaient de la couleur de l'aile concernée ... à vérifier bien sûr !

Curieuse d'ailleurs cette livrée (et pas simple le noir à peindre ... tu aimes la difficulté Loïc !) : j'ai lu quelque part qu'il s'agissait d'un schéma de camouflage d'usine de livraison des avions, entre fin avril 1939 et début juin 1940 et que c'était ensuite les gars de la maintenance ou des squadrons qui complétaient la peinture sur tout le dessous du fuselage. C'est exact ?

J'ai lu aussi qu'en fait le dessous de l'appareil restait en alu et l'aile droite blanche, l'autre noire. Tu confirmes aussi ?

Oups, c'est plus compliqué qu'il n'y paraît ces Mk.I noir et blanc ... va voir ici :

http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87028

et repère bien la date à laquelle tu te places

Merci Erik

J avais trouvé Ca:

During the mid to late 1930s, Britain was engaged in the task of building the world's first integrated air defence system. A means of detecting enemy aircraft at a distance in the form of what is today called radar was developed together with a command and control system to pass the information gathered by the radar to the fighters whilst in the air.

One of the many problems of integrating this system was how to distinguish between friendly fighters and enemy aircraft from the ground. This was necessary to allow them to be tracked over land by the Observer Corps. The early Chain Home radar transmitted its signals through 360 degrees. In order for the radar operators to distinguish the direction that the enemy were coming from the inland 180 degrees had to be blocked out electronically. The result of this was that there was no radar coverage inland and all the plotting information which was required for a successful interception, such as the location of the fighters in relation to the raiders once they had crossed the coast, had to be obtained visually, by the Observer Corps.

The solution to the problem of distinguishing friendly fighters visually from the ground was originally suggested by the Commander in Chief of Fighter Command, Hugh Dowding. In May 1937, Dowding wrote to the Air Ministry suggesting that the undersides of fighter aircraft should be painted in such a way as to make them easily identifiable from the ground. He suggested that the underside of one of the lower mainplanes should be finished in silver dope and the other in dull black. By this means, however the arrangement was likely to be viewed, it would always present a characteristic part coloured appearance to the observer. After some consideration by the Air Ministry it was decided that the idea should be tried out and permission for trials to begin was granted in July 1937.

During October 1937 Dowding wrote to the Air Ministry to inform them of the results obtained from the experiment. Whilst doing so, he suggested that with production of the Hurricane gathering pace, the undersides of the wings of these aircraft should be finished black on the port side and white on the starboard. He also suggested that to make the marking as clear as possible, the aircraft identification numbers should be omitted from the wing under surfaces.

The Air Ministry agreed that some Hurricanes could be finished in this way for the purpose of a large scale service trial and wrote to Dowding during December 1937 to inform him of the decision. As production of the Hurricane was well advanced by this time, it had not been found possible to apply the marking to early production aircraft, but it was to be instituted as soon as possible without delaying production.

The Air Ministry felt that it could not agree to the omission of the serial number from the under surfaces of the wings believing they should be retained as a deterrent to unauthorised low flying as they almost always allowed the offending aircraft and therefore pilot to be identified.

Hawkers were informed in a letter dated 8 January 1938 that it was desired that the under surface of the port wing was to be finished in black and the starboard wing white, with the flaps and ailerons included in this colour scheme. The identification numbers on the starboard (white) side of the aircraft were to remain as they were at present, but those on the port (black) side were to be applied in white to be visible against the black background. Because the Air Ministry had not made it absolutely clear whether the outer wings only were to be black and white or whether the dividing line between the two colours should be on the centreline of the centre section, a sketch showing only the outer panels of the wings finished in black and white was submitted to the Air Ministry in January 1938 for their approval along with a quoted price of £5. 0. 0d. for each aircraft to be finished in this manner. When the Air Ministry raised no objections, this was how the aircraft left the production line.

In March 1938, the Air Ministry wrote to Fighter Command informing them that the serial numbers of the Hurricanes earmarked for the new under surface colour scheme were 11576 - L1625 and delivery was expected to commence before the end of the month.
Once these aircraft began to go into service during early April 1938, Fighter Command expressed a wish that all Spitfires and Hurricanes should be finished in this manner. However in June 1938, Dowding complained that the Hurricanes which had been delivered by that time had not been properly painted as he wished the black and white colours to cover the largest possible surface and to meet on the centreline. The Hurricanes supplied thus far had not been painted on the fuselage at all, leaving a silver strip between the black and white which caused the colours to blend into one another when seen from a distance, destroying the contrast. He also suggested that the roundels on the under surfaces of home defence fighter aircraft were no longer necessary as the black and white finish would act as sufficient identification from below and the roundels only served to break up the clean expanse of black and white which was being relied upon for recognition.
The suggestion that roundels be removed from the under surfaces of Home Defence Fighter aircraft was considered by the Air Ministry, which concluded that there was no legal reason why this could not be done and in August 1938, the Director of Operations and Intelligence, wrote to Fighter Command to inform them of the decision. It was however stated that the roundels must continue to be used in the Field Force fighter squadrons.

Eventually Dowding’s nagging and complaining bore fruit and fighter aircraft were finished with the undersides painted black and white divided down the centre line of the fuselage. By the outbreak of war most anomalies had been corrected and the majority of fighter aircraft were painted in accordance to his wishes. This lasted until June 1940 when undersides were painted all over sky.

The actual colour used was not black, but Night. Night was not a true black as it contained Carbon Black and Ultramarine pigments. It was developed before the war as an anti-searchlight finish. The existing matt black paint used by the RAF contained only Carbon Black pigment which was too soft, the paint easily polishing to a glossy sheen. The Ultramarine was added to make the finish more durable, not to alter the colour.

On 6th June 1940 the Air Ministry sent Signal X915 which stated that all under surfaces of fighter aircraft were to be doped to Sky Type S. This was a new colour and supplies in quantity did not become available until the middle to end of August 1940. Other, similar, colours were substituted as well as self-mixed versions which resulted in a range of colour variations being seen. Which colours were used is often difficult to interpret from black and white photographs but there is archaeological evidence for individual aircraft that BBS 381 (1930) No1 Sky Blue and BSS 381 (1930) No 16 Eau de Nil were used as well as Sky Grey and an unidentified blue-grey colour. The S in type S means smooth. The rough finish of the original matt camouflage paints had been found to cause a loss of performance. Investigation founds that this was due to problems in application and not to the paint itself. In order to improve the finish of camouflage paints the RAE developed Type S paints. These simply had much finer ground pigments than found in normal paint. All camouflage colours were produced as Type S, not just Sky.


As the BoB was coming to an end a re-assessment was made by Fighter Command of its camouflage and markings in light of combat experience. There was a general consensus of opinion that favoured a return to the ‘black and white’ under surface finish. Fighter pilots had found it a useful means of immediately locating the position of friendly fighters above them. Although the black wing also identified RAF fighters to the enemy this slight disadvantage was accepted. The decision was taken to re-introduce the ‘black and white’ scheme throughout Fighter Command but because of the enormous amount of man hours involved in repainting it was agreed that painting the port wing black, leaving Sky on the rest of the under surfaces would suffice.

There is some indication that this measure was either seen at the time as being temporary or experimental or that there were reservations about it. The black (Night) paint specified for use was to DTD 441 standard. This was a matt finish distemper which could be applied by brush or spray. After drying at room temperature for two weeks it was to be readily removable with hot water leaving the surfaces uninjured.

After the ‘black’ port wing had been in use for several months signal A279 was sent by Fighter Command to the Air Ministry and all other Commands on 7th April 1941 notifying them that from dawn on 15th April (subsequently delayed until 22nd April) the ‘black’ marking would be removed from all port wing under sides of day fighters. The reason for the sudden change in policy is not known but may be due to the changing role of Fighter Command from a purely defensive force to a more aggressive one, undertaking mass formation ‘sweeps’ into enemy territory. In this context the black wing would have alerted ground observers as to the whereabouts of RAF fighters.

Pas simple tout Ca...
Il faut que je regarde la deco et que j arrive à trouver l historique de mon zinc...

Salut Loïc,

J'espère que c'est un copié collé ton pavé, parce que là ton poignet il ne vas pas guérir avec de tels traitements

Là tu nous en poses une bonne... Perso je partirai sur la couleur Interior green ou métal en fonction des goûts. Cela m'étonnerai qu'ils se soient embêtés à barbouiller l'intérieur des trappes.

Après avec les Britanniques tout reste possible...

Snow

snow white a écrit:

Perso je partirai sur la couleur Interior green ou métal en fonction des goûts. Cela m'étonnerai qu'ils se soient embêtés à barbouiller l'intérieur des trappes.

Après avec les Britanniques tout reste possible...

Plus j'y réfléchis (si, si !!), plus je m'intéresse à ce camo et plus je suis au contraire convaincu que l'intérieur des puits était de la couleur adoptée sur l'aile ... techniquement, c'était même le plus simple en usine, tout était passé au pistolet à peinture sans avoir à masquer quoi que ce soit !

Tu as été lire mon lien vers Master194 ? Il est très précis et correspond bien à la longue analyse en anglais que tu as reproduite au-dessus

C'est clair Loïc qu'il faut qu'on retrouve l'historique de ton Spit